Tricericon Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 WG is kicking off (ha!) another pretty random tie-in, the UEFA Euro. Here's the rules: https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/sales-and-events/time-for-beautiful-game/ This thread is for discussing the event. Especially, since it gives you better goodies for calling the winners of the knockout games correctly, my hope is that members of this forum who grok soccer can help those who don't bet their tokens most efficiently. It's still a little over a week until knockouts start. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensign Cthulhu Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 This reminds me of the Soccer War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War The image is particularly germane because this was the last occasion on which piston-engined fighters met in battle. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Rewards are basically a random loot draw? Pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: Rewards are basically a random loot draw? Pass. On Zero investment for something football fans do anyway 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricericon Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: Rewards are basically a random loot draw? Pass. It's a silly event and there's a random factor, for sure, but the lottery tickets are being handed out for stuff most folks are doing anyway & it's not a pure random draw. Naively guessing a team is likely to leave you at 7-8 points; being even just well enough informed to pick the betting favorite at Euro 2021 would have gotten you 10/15. Hence this thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 53 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: This reminds me of the Soccer War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War The image is particularly germane because this was the last occasion on which piston-engined fighters met in battle. Cool story. 🙂 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/last-piston-engine-dogfights-180956250/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 +1 to WG for referring to the sport in question by its correct name i.e. 'football'... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, ArIskandir said: On Zero investment for something football fans do anyway It's not zero investment, as Id actually have to go make the picks in whatever menu screen WG provides. I was actually interested in this one as I do follow football...but the rewards are uninspiring. It's not enough value to tempt me to bother with. I fully understand this is a personal assessment. 😉 1 hour ago, Tricericon said: It's a silly event and there's a random factor, for sure, but the lottery tickets are being handed out for stuff most folks are doing anyway & it's not a pure random draw. Naively guessing a team is likely to leave you at 7-8 points; being even just well enough informed to pick the betting favorite at Euro 2021 would have gotten you 10/15. Hence this thread. True enough. I was hoping for better rewards, but that's just me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensign Cthulhu Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: It's not zero investment, as Id actually have to go make the picks in whatever menu screen WG provides. Oh my God, the amount of effort that must take you. 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfYouSeeKhaos Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Verblonde said: +1 to WG for referring to the sport in question by its correct name i.e. 'football'... WG isn't a US company so why would they refer to it as anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 24 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said: WG isn't a US company so why would they refer to it as anything else? Because they're WG, and their grasp on the English language can be, erm, unfortunate at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfYouSeeKhaos Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Because they're WG, and their grasp on the English language can be, erm, unfortunate at times... Actually their "grasp" on the English language is impeccable... If after all the exact same "translation errors" over & over & over & over again keep occuring you haven't figured out the level of expertise of the English language required to make it seem like an error every time... It really isn't hard to find people that are fluent in both Russian & English...& with their income they have NEVER had an actual issue with being able to hire proper translators... Their output is intentionally intended to mislead/misdirect your attention to irrelevant out points that end up not being issues at all while sneaking in out & out malicious hidden agendas in a conveniently seemingly attractive package (that actually has the player base applauding them so they can later claim "You Asked For It") that will end up being total detriments as soon as the next "universal update" is applied in a couple months. Not in anyway at all exclusive to WG...SOP for any & all FTP games...WG just has the advantage of being from Russia so they can claim "translation errors" while the others have to just be straight up exposed from the get go. Edited June 18 by IfYouSeeKhaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 hours ago, Verblonde said: +1 to WG for referring to the sport in question by its correct name i.e. 'football'... What is the relationship between the two terms? Never been able to figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 no decent rewards and just dumping the missions onto us without us getting a choice " listen BOGGSY even your bosses at lester call it FOOTBALL not scoccer " get it right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 hours ago, Tricericon said: WG is kicking off (ha!) another pretty random tie-in, the UEFA Euro. Here's the rules: https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/sales-and-events/time-for-beautiful-game/ This thread is for discussing the event. Especially, since it gives you better goodies for calling the winners of the knockout games correctly, my hope is that members of this forum who grok soccer can help those who don't bet their tokens most efficiently. It's still a little over a week until knockouts start. its called FOOTBALL not scoccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor3006 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said: WG isn't a US company so why would they refer to it as anything else? I suppose since they have NA as their customers, to avoid confusion. Football to the US and Canada is giant men smashing into one another at full speed. Football to the rest of the world is if two dudes in shorts touch one another, they will fall down and pretend to be hurt. Kind of like basketball but with smaller balls. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricericon Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said: What is the relationship between the two terms? Never been able to figure it out. The game at the root of the modern sports of American football, association football/soccer, rugby, basketball, and hockey was called "football" because it was played on foot (distinguishing it from games played on horseback). There were many variations dating back to the middle ages, but generally the objective was to advance a ball to a goal. Many variants often resulted in serious injuries. The "soccer" family (soccer, hockey, basketball) split off the "football" family (American football, rugby) were both 19th century solutions the question of how to get the ball from the other team without injuring the ballcarrier. The "soccer" solution was to prevent holding the ball so it could be stolen with, you know, breaking someone's arm. The "American football" solution was that they had to give it up if they were knocked down enough times. There were a number of different football codes (e.g. "Rugby" from the name of the school that devised it), and the feet-only code that became dominant was known as "Association Football"; "Soccer" is a slangy British shorthand for "Association". In the United States, what we now call American football became so dominant, it just captured the term "football". In Britain, "soccer" did, with all other "football" codes that survived being rugby variants, adopting that term exclusively, and dropping "football". So, when there started to be real crossover between British and American sports and each had a "football", Americans adopted an alternate term to describe the British "football" and the Brits added a qualifier to the American one. Just to complete the evolutionary tree, American football and Rugby were already different sports but really diverged when football adopted the forward pass and rugby instead embraced the fumble; hockey and basketball were both invented by Canadians who wanted to play soccer but only had an ice rink and a school gym, respectively. I prefer "soccer" rather than "football" for the "the beautiful game" since it is never ambiguous, but c'est la vie. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldblackdog Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 For the benefit of those of us who don't follow soccer...err, football...err whatever... What are the best teams to pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 28 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said: I suppose since they have NA as their customers, to avoid confusion. Football to the US and Canada is giant men smashing into one another at full speed. Football to the rest of the world is if two dudes in shorts touch one another, they will fall down and pretend to be hurt. Kind of like basketball but with smaller balls. what ever pleases you m8 .. keep taking them happy pills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, oldblackdog said: For the benefit of those of us who don't follow soccer...err, football...err whatever... What are the best teams to pick? france, germany, italy, england belgium ( sometimes ) spain , portugal , croacia , holland to name a few 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Tricericon said: The game at the root of the modern sports of American football, association football/soccer, rugby, basketball, and hockey was called "football" because it was played on foot (distinguishing it from games played on horseback). There were many variations dating back to the middle ages, but generally the objective was to advance a ball to a goal. Many variants often resulted in serious injuries. The "soccer" family (soccer, hockey, basketball) split off the "football" family (American football, rugby) were both 19th century solutions the question of how to get the ball from the other team without injuring the ballcarrier. The "soccer" solution was to prevent holding the ball so it could be stolen with, you know, breaking someone's arm. The "American football" solution was that they had to give it up if they were knocked down enough times. There were a number of different football codes (e.g. "Rugby" from the name of the school that devised it), and the feet-only code that became dominant was known as "Association Football"; "Soccer" is a slangy British shorthand for "Association". In the United States, what we now call American football became so dominant, it just captured the term "football". In Britain, "soccer" did, with all other "football" codes that survived being rugby variants, adopting that term exclusively, and dropping "football". So, when there started to be real crossover between British and American sports and each had a "football", Americans adopted an alternate term to describe the British "football" and the Brits added a qualifier to the American one. Just to complete the evolutionary tree, American football and Rugby were already different sports but really diverged when football adopted the forward pass and rugby instead embraced the fumble; hockey and basketball were both invented by Canadians who wanted to play soccer but only had an ice rink and a school gym, respectively. I prefer "soccer" rather than "football" for the "the beautiful game" since it is never ambiguous, but c'est la vie. Nice history lesson, thanks. The thing is "soccer' means nothing for millions of people outside UK/USA, for all the millions of Us across the World there's only "football' or regional variations of the word (in spanish is 'futbol')... "soccer" is a term you wouldn't even know exist if you don't interact with 'anglo' folks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricericon Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 14 minutes ago, oldblackdog said: For the benefit of those of us who don't follow soccer...err, football...err whatever... What are the best teams to pick? Spain, France, Germany, Portugal, and England are the first tier, although you might keep an eye on Mbappe's broken nose. The second tier is Belgium and the Netherlands; everyone else likely to be anywhere near the knockouts is a third tier. Germany are the hosts, for whatever that's worth. Most would probably have Italy in the same tier as Belgium and the Netherlands, but I think they're coasting on rep a bit. It doesn't really matter unless they end up drawn against one of the Low Country teams. We'll have many more games of information and exact matchups before we need to make picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 30 minutes ago, Tricericon said: The game at the root of the modern sports of American football, association football/soccer, rugby, basketball, and hockey was called "football" because it was played on foot (distinguishing it from games played on horseback). There were many variations dating back to the middle ages, but generally the objective was to advance a ball to a goal. Many variants often resulted in serious injuries. The "soccer" family (soccer, hockey, basketball) split off the "football" family (American football, rugby) were both 19th century solutions the question of how to get the ball from the other team without injuring the ballcarrier. The "soccer" solution was to prevent holding the ball so it could be stolen with, you know, breaking someone's arm. The "American football" solution was that they had to give it up if they were knocked down enough times. There were a number of different football codes (e.g. "Rugby" from the name of the school that devised it), and the feet-only code that became dominant was known as "Association Football"; "Soccer" is a slangy British shorthand for "Association". In the United States, what we now call American football became so dominant, it just captured the term "football". In Britain, "soccer" did, with all other "football" codes that survived being rugby variants, adopting that term exclusively, and dropping "football". So, when there started to be real crossover between British and American sports and each had a "football", Americans adopted an alternate term to describe the British "football" and the Brits added a qualifier to the American one. Just to complete the evolutionary tree, American football and Rugby were already different sports but really diverged when football adopted the forward pass and rugby instead embraced the fumble; hockey and basketball were both invented by Canadians who wanted to play soccer but only had an ice rink and a school gym, respectively. I prefer "soccer" rather than "football" for the "the beautiful game" since it is never ambiguous, but c'est la vie. football was played long before american football a few hundred years ago it used to be a ball played from one end of the town to another by adults only this side of the pond calls it soccer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaelic_knight Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) you want a history of football The early forms of football played in England, sometimes referred to as "mob football", would be played in towns or between neighbouring villages, involving an unlimited number of players on opposing teams who would clash en masse,] struggling to move an item, such as inflated animal's bladder to particular geographical points, such as their opponents' church, with play taking place in the open space between neighbouring parishes. The game was played primarily during significant religious festivals, such as Shrovetide, Christmas, or Easter,and Shrovetide games have survived into the modern era in a number of English towns (see below). The first detailed description of what was almost certainly football in England was given by William FitzStephen in about 1174–1183. He described the activities of London youths during the annual festival of Shrove Tuesday: Edited June 18 by Gaelic_knight 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricericon Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: football was played long before american football a few hundred years ago it used to be a ball played from one end of the town to another by adults only this side of the pond calls it soccer The predecessor games to both are older than Robin Hood, sure, but the two were codified within a few years of each other & neither has particularly more claim on the legacy of "mob football" than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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