UnderTheRadarAgain Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 So, apparently this happened on Tuesday 4th June. My Chinese contact on Discord messaged me to tell me about it. He was in a super-unicum division with 2 clan members when they all received a ban at the same time - image attached. (I supersized it because the original image is too small for my eyes to read on screen - LOL) I naturally quizzed him regarding cheats and hacks, and he of course assured me none of them use any cheats or hacks. So if that is all above board then it seems weegee issued a 7 day ban for being too good. I know many of us dislike triple unicum divisions in our games, but none of us have ever expressed a desire for weegee to ban them. At least I never have. Any thoughts? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Good play is not overpowered. If they were playing according to the rules/EULA/TOS, then there is no good cause to ban them. I wonder if this was some "automated" action by WOWs programming? Or were actual human representatives of WOWs involved in the decision process? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 minutes ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said: So, apparently this happened on Tuesday 4th June. My Chinese contact on Discord messaged me to tell me about it. He was in a super-unicum division with 2 clan members when they all received a ban at the same time - image attached. (I supersized it because the original image is too small for my eyes to read on screen - LOL) I naturally quizzed him regarding cheats and hacks, and he of course assured me none of them use any cheats or hacks. So if that is all above board then it seems weegee issued a 7 day ban for being too good. I know many of us dislike triple unicum divisions in our games, but none of us have ever expressed a desire for weegee to ban them. At least I never have. Any thoughts? One wonders if they were doing some more shady things like sync dropping and then throwing matches to each other or doing too much troll talking at the teams they were beating... It would be interesting to see some replays from the matches. The troll talking was how the AAK divisions got into trouble some time back. WG threatened the unicum clans with bans, not for the division itself, but for the extremely toxic chat they were using while celebrating their easy wins. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderTheRadarAgain Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: One wonders if they were doing some more shady things like sync dropping and then throwing matches to each other or doing too much troll talking at the teams they were beating... It would be interesting to see some replays from the matches. The troll talking was how the AAK divisions got into trouble some time back. WG threatened the unicum clans with bans, not for the division itself, but for the extremely toxic chat they were using while celebrating their easy wins. No sync dropping, he said they were in a 3 player division. He did surmise it's likely to be other players reporting them over the course of those games. Impossible to tell without having access to weegees own internal data. Automated ban could be possible after dozens of unsporting behaviour reports in a short period. ??? Just more questions. I've never heard of bans for winning before. I know about and agree with the AAK division bans for the toxicity in chat and on stream chat. I also heavily rolled my eyes at the streamer "rage" that weegee was banning players for hunting CV's - Flamu etc. Yeah Nah (Aussie for Eff no) those dumbo's got bans for taunting and mocking while trolling on live stream. I would have been happy if they got permanent bans. There are certain streamers who I stopped watching because of their toxic behaviour in chat regarding other players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaQuest Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 16 minutes ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said: So, apparently this happened on Tuesday 4th June. My Chinese contact on Discord messaged me to tell me about it. He was in a super-unicum division with 2 clan members when they all received a ban at the same time - image attached. (I supersized it because the original image is too small for my eyes to read on screen - LOL) I naturally quizzed him regarding cheats and hacks, and he of course assured me none of them use any cheats or hacks. So if that is all above board then it seems weegee issued a 7 day ban for being too good. I know many of us dislike triple unicum divisions in our games, but none of us have ever expressed a desire for weegee to ban them. At least I never have. Any thoughts? Were they on the Asia server or the Chinese server? If they were on the Chinese server, there have been a bunch of bans over the last year or so for hacking. If they are on the Asia server, I have no clue what could have gotten them banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderTheRadarAgain Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, SeaQuest said: Were they on the Asia server or the Chinese server? If they were on the Chinese server, there have been a bunch of bans over the last year or so for hacking. If they are on the Asia server, I have no clue what could have gotten them banned. The Asia server. Same one I play on. He is the player who told me about the cheating app called warpack that can be bought in the Chinese market - behind the great fire-wall of China. We have previously discussed this here with some memory of it in tanks and speculation it's probably been updated since weegee identified it in tanks with bans etc. I have no doubts myself that the app is being used outside of mainland China. And I would hope weegee would publicly announce action taken against players found to be using it. Though i suspect they would stay silent to avoid admitting their unhackable game is in fact very hackable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugilistic Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 29 minutes ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said: No sync dropping, he said they were in a 3 player division. He did surmise it's likely to be other players reporting them over the course of those games. Impossible to tell without having access to weegees own internal data. Automated ban could be possible after dozens of unsporting behaviour reports in a short period. ??? Just more questions. I've never heard of bans for winning before. I know about and agree with the AAK division bans for the toxicity in chat and on stream chat. I also heavily rolled my eyes at the streamer "rage" that weegee was banning players for hunting CV's - Flamu etc. Yeah Nah (Aussie for Eff no) those dumbo's got bans for taunting and mocking while trolling on live stream. I would have been happy if they got permanent bans. There are certain streamers who I stopped watching because of their toxic behaviour in chat regarding other players. Someone could have been synch dropping WITH them, but since your contact didnt mention it, I would assume that wasnt the reason. This can just be the natural effect of a superuni div plus a run of positive variance; I am no great shakes, and I have had two streaks of 19-0 in Solo Randoms. I have said (a lot) that 3-man unicum divisions are the heaviest possible thumb on the MM scales aside from legit >10% team WR spreads. This looks like WeeGee doing an imitation of casinos cutting off card counters' action even when they cant prove it. The house just doesnt want to allow that action, or perhaps they found something TOS hinky. I have been saying that we dont need SBMM, but we do need something to match super divs with something besides a div of two taters, so Im easily able to jump at an opp to say "SEEE??!!". Edited June 9 by Pugilistic 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 One wonders if one of the division mates was using unapproved mods and just didn't tell this guy... Plenty of ways to get yourself legitimately banned. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralThunder Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 A ban like that is serious business and not something WG does routinely. I am going to say it isn't automated from karma reports and WG investigated and found something hinky. WG lets a lot go and doesn't get involved as often as they should but that kind of discipline from them usually means there was something seriously bad going on and it was bad enough they looked into it and issued a ban. Obviously I don't know the facts. I can only speculate. But I would take any claims of innocence with a big grain of salt. That isn't you got disconnected and got an automated pink. That is a serious disciplinary action and not something WG does regularly which to me means something was going on. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugilistic Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: One wonders if one of the division mates was using unapproved mods and just didn't tell this guy... Plenty of ways to get yourself legitimately banned. Yep. Edited June 9 by Pugilistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderTheRadarAgain Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 5 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: One wonders if one of the division mates was using unapproved mods and just didn't tell this guy... Plenty of ways to get yourself legitimately banned. That was my thoughts too. I am happy to take my contacts words at face value, but remain sceptical that he could be 100% certain the other members of his clan are all above board. Though banning all 3 when only one was hacking seems harsh. I would prefer only the one using the hack get banned - permanently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensign Cthulhu Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 41 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said: WG lets a lot go and doesn't get involved as often as they should but that kind of discipline from them usually means there was something seriously bad going on and it was bad enough they looked into it and issued a ban. Speaking of which: 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldblackdog Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: Speaking of which: Hmmm...that's interesting. Perhaps Lord Zath or one of the other streamers who cover these tournaments can give us some more insight on this subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightPhoenix07 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said: Automated ban could be possible after dozens of unsporting behaviour reports in a short period. ??? The only automated ban that comes from the in-game reports are chat bans. If you get enough misbehavior in chat reports over enough games it can trigger an automated review of your chat logs and an automated chat ban (but usually only 24 hours, anything higher is typically from player reports to support). The rest of the report options are basically placebos. Either someone in the division (or all three) was doing something shady and WG’s automated systems flagged it, or another player reported something to support and they issued the game bans. A 7 day ban isn’t a super long ban as far as support issued bans go, but it’s still significant enough. It’s not something they’re going to issue without a good reason. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snargfargle Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: Speaking of which: NOCAP ban This confirms a suspicion I've had for some time now. While it's statistically possible for a player to have an 85% win rate after more than a thousand battles, the odds of this are infinitesimal; yet certain clans seem to routinely accomplish this feat. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderTheRadarAgain Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 3 minutes ago, Snargfargle said: This confirms a suspicion I've had for some time now. While it's statistically possible for a player to have an 85% win rate after more than a thousand battles, the odds of this are infinitesimal; yet certain clans seem to routinely accomplish this feat. It's definitely possible to have a very high win rate in a small number of games. I am a average at best player, with a reasonably steady 52% winrate with just under 5k games on my main account. I rolled a second account to feed oil into my small clan (6 members) and played randoms only, taking full advantage of protected match making to see what was possible. I had a 90% solo win rate on the completion of those 200 games and move into the general population match making. It sits on 60% now with around 1500 solo games in randoms. So, a good player who rolls a new account, and then only ever plays randoms in a triple division with other unicum players can very easily maintain that very high winrate. It perfectly within the games TOS and rules. Is it fair to the other players just trying to do their best playing solo? Of course not, but also yes - because everyone can do what they do given opportunity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SureBridge Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 37 games is around 10 hours of continuous play: I'm into burnt out and stupid in a lot less than that Even at an 80% win rate, the chances of winning 37 games in a row are pretty tiny: 0.8^37 = 0.026% (edit - about the same as my chance of winning 8 games in a row) at a more "reasonable" win rate of "only" 65% that goes down to 0.0000012%. (1.2E-7) That's getting into lottery ticket territory. (edit - about the same as me winning 23 in a row: to quote the princess bride "Inconceivable!") Even with a super-unicum division, the odds of (at some point) having the rest of your team be 100% spud by weight is very high. I could see a ban being upheld purely on a "statistical" basis. (Hey boss, the chance for this unicum player doing that is lower than your lifetime chance of being hit by lightning...) So maybe they were on a roll, and everyone else on the server was a super-spud. If I was the "house" I'd be limiting my losses even if I didn't have definite "proof" that there was cheating involved. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majmac Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said: WG lets a lot go and doesn't get involved Especially if said person is a heavy 'investor' in the game, money wise ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OT2_2 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) winning 37 games in a row ... This is highlighting pretty impressively how WG's often mentioned MM is entirely messed up. How often do I and did I hear the incantations that "streaks", negative and positive, will balance out over time. There is no such balance as this showcases. When this gang of so called "super - unicums" is winning 37 x (cheating or not) in a row others are condemned to lose the same amount of battles, and nobody is mentioning these players and their well - founded frustration. This is impacting WoW as a whole very negatively. Edited June 9 by OT2_2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynami Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Hey. I've gone on 10+ game streaks just by doing something stupid in mid tiers. Such as playing a Nicholas smoking a pair of clan member Agincourts into the fight multiple games in a row. I've also done things like trashcan a CV who drastically underestimated what my particular cruiser could do to him. Its not every day you get to hand a 74% win-rate over 2200+ games Chakalov main a solid drubbing from the captain's chair of a Dmitry Pozharsky! But getting over 20+ games in a row is something that I've definitely not managed personally and that with the potato sacks in the MM seems to be wildly unlikely. Because even the really good unicum players can end up eating a loss when another flank just hard collapses and they are getting shot at by mid game by twice as many living opponents as their team has remaining afloat. By any chance was this a almost entirely destroyer based division? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 What section of the EULA covers sync dropping, BTW? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewbassg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said: I naturally quizzed him regarding cheats and hacks, and he of course assured me none of them use any cheats or hacks. For cheats and hacks the wording would be different. And NOT a 7 day ban and certainly not simultaneously. And for chat... again the wording would be different. Edited June 9 by Andrewbassg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewbassg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, SureBridge said: 37 games is around 10 hours of continuous play Not necessarily. Coz brawls exists. The thing is we don't know a LOT of things like what mode or tier was played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewbassg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, Kynami said: But getting over 20+ games in a row is something that I've definitely not managed personally and that with the potato sacks in the MM seems to be wildly unlikely. It is very much possible in brawls. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewbassg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: Speaking of which: That's sad news. And quite a bit harsh and excessive. Banning from comp would have been the right call. But Wedgie being wEdgie.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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