Anomaly 2. Where are all the US DDs?

[Aethervox]

This post is an adjunct to my earlier 'Anomaly! Where are all the UK DDs?' in that the US also produced, literally, hundreds of DDs from 1913 - 1945 (my date parameters used).

I mention 'Wrath_of_Deadguy' as he listed many of the US DD classes (in my Anomaly UK DD thread) under consideration here .

In the Wikipedia list of US DDs from 1913 - 1945 there were (approximately) 842 DDs produced. That is slightly more than the UK's 816 for the same date range (in years).

The main difference is that the US produced far more of specific classes of DD than the UK did. For instance, the US Wickes 111, Clemson 156, Fletcher 175 & Gearing 98 as opposed to the most numerous UK DD Acasta 'M' 74 or the later 'S' class 55. The UK did not produce that many of any one DD class in relation to some of the US DD classes.

From 1913 - 1945 the US produced some 22 DD classes of which 10 are in the game (one, the Nicholas T5 was a 'design' DD only) so there, possibly, could be an alternate US DD tech tree line (although there is nothing, really, at the T4 & T5 that is not already used).

So, for us 'historical aficionado' type of WoWS player, it would be nice to see more US DDs, another US DD tech tree line, perhaps?

Edited June 8 by Aethervox

[Itwastuesday]

Instead of nice, I think we'll get American DD hybrid split eventually. TX Couldawoulda will actually have a flight deck and look like the most disastrous ship ever conceived by a human.

[Admiral_Karasu]

World of Warships has taught me that the world's navies built exactly the same number of DD's as they built capital ships like BB's and CV's each. Before playing WoWS, I always thought they built more of those DD's, but thanks to Wargaming, I've been historically corrected.

[Wrath_of_Deadguy]

If I were to decide the direction of a USN DD split... I'd definitely want to work in the Gridley, Bagley, and Benham classes as the high-tier ships in the second line. They represent a ready-made concept that focuses on torpedo-chucking at the expense of a smaller main battery and weaker AA- and considering how much of a beast Benham is already, I'd just clone her performance to one of her sisters and make that the Tier 10.

How to get there, though? Do a whole second line (doable, with some shuffling around; there are enough classes), or (more likely) split off at T7 or T8?

Really, though, any split concept would be okay by me... as long as they're real ships. No napkin-doodle abominations, please.

Edited June 8 by Wrath_of_Deadguy

[Ensign Cthulhu]

17 minutes ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said:

and considering how much of a beast Benham is already, I'd just clone her performance to one of her sisters and make that the Tier 10

Yeah, but Benham has been unavailable outside of appeals to RNGe$u$ since her intro event with very good reason, and I don't think WG will ever want to bring anything like her back. To say nothing of enraging a substantial number of people who did in fact appeal to RNGe$u$ at Christmas, only to find that their precious monster is now available freely to all! 😈

[Aethervox]

42 minutes ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said:

a ready-made concept that focuses on torpedo-chucking at the expense of a smaller main battery and weaker AA-

Yes, doable, although, when you look at what Wedgie used for the T4 & T5, especially, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of DD classes there (not likely insurmountable).

As an aside, I like your player name, Wrath. It make me picture you as a DD main often getting sunk & the 'wrath' part is sinking the other guy right afterwards (lol) 😁.

Edited June 8 by Aethervox

[Arcus_Aesopi]

2 hours ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said:

If I were to decide the direction of a USN DD split... I'd definitely want to work in the Gridley, Bagley, and Benham classes as the high-tier ships in the second line. They represent a ready-made concept that focuses on torpedo-chucking at the expense of a smaller main battery and weaker AA- and considering how much of a beast Benham is already, I'd just clone her performance to one of her sisters and make that the Tier 10.

How to get there, though? Do a whole second line (doable, with some shuffling around; there are enough classes), or (more likely) split off at T7 or T8?

Really, though, any split concept would be okay by me... as long as they're real ships. No napkin-doodle abominations, please.

We already have many of the WW_II era US DD classes represented in the game... I don't think a "split" makes sense.  I saw this list of USN DDs used in WWII at https://naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2/us-navy.php

USN destroyers
    Farragut class (1934)
    Porter class (1935)
    Mahan class (1935)
    Gridley class (1936)
    Bagley class (1936)
    Somers class (1937)
    Benham class (1938)
    Sims class (1939)
    Benson class (1939)
    Gleaves class (1940)
    Fletcher class (1942)
    Sumner class (1943)
    Gearing class (1944)

Not sure where to go with that 🙂 list since 9 classes of them (by my count) are already represented.

[Wrath_of_Deadguy]

There are more USN DD classes still unaccounted for than there were French DDs, but there's a French line split coming up soon to fill in their ranks. The better question is: why not do it?

Benham isn't much representation for her class since she's not available outside of ultra-rare crate drops, and Gridley and Bagley have the same four-gun, four-launcher layout as Benham... so those three classes on their own are enough to make a line split with if you make T8 the jumping-off point (which WG has been doing a lot of) for a branch with a Benham sister ship as the T10 (since the existing T9 Benham might as well be a T10 already, hence why she hasn't been re-released).

Why not pick up the spares, and have as many tech lines in the game populated by real ships as possible- even if some of the ships do have sisters already in-game as (nigh-on unobtainable) premiums, or in other trees?

Instead of, y'know, yet another line that's pure paper?

 

[invicta2012]

12 hours ago, Arcus_Aesopi said:

Not sure where to go with that 🙂 list since 9 classes of them (by my count) are already represented.

Take a look at the history of the ships and how they were revised over time, then look at the US DDs we already have in game and what could be transferred onto a new line. 

Sims, for example - originally designed with the same armament as Mahan but revised post-launch to have four main guns and eight torpedoes. Several of her class served in North Atlantic convoys (notably the Wainwright), others in the Pacific so why not a switchable config ship, offering both the original design and B/C Hull with improved anti-sub tools and the traditional Sims sea mine torpedoes (convoy version) or improved AA / improved torps (late pacific war version). 

The Gridleys are "super Sims" - small, relatively lightly armed, but nimble and fast... make them stealthy, maybe give them a heal.

Otherwise you could look at a line using the remaining Destroyer Leaders (Porter) as equivalents to the large German DDs, there are subsequent designs which would fit in that mould, especially with the use of modern auto-loading 5" guns.

[Wolfswetpaws]

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[Gaelic_knight]

22 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Instead of nice, I think we'll get American DD hybrid split eventually. TX Couldawoulda will actually have a flight deck and look like the most disastrous ship ever conceived by a human.

HISTORICAL US DD HYBRID HALFORD  is already been in the game for a while 

[Itwastuesday]

6 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said:

HISTORICAL US DD HYBRID HALFORD  is already been in the game for a while 

Yes, which is why we can expect the couldawoulda line. Equating a destroyer with a floatplane catapult to something like Ise is hilarious but I'm sure they can't resist modeling a tumour onto a DD. Well, if they have an art department anymore.

[Gaelic_knight]

1 minute ago, Itwastuesday said:

Yes, which is why we can expect the couldawoulda line. Equating a destroyer with a floatplane catapult to something like Ise is hilarious but I'm sure they can't resist modeling a tumour onto a DD. Well, if they have an art department anymore.

2 were suppose to be made during WWII but only halford was finished   and realised it didnt work as intended so no there is no other historical ships to model unless they turned the original DD line into hybrids which i can see players not being happy  

[Aethervox]

17 hours ago, Arcus_Aesopi said:

I saw this list of USN DDs used in WWII

If you 'google'  Wikipedia US DDs 1913 - 1945, you will find 22 classes of US DDs of which WoWS uses 10. Your list is only from 1934 - 1944 (not all are WW2 vintage).

[Aethervox]

3 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

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Popcorn? That's the best you can do? 😒

[Aethervox]

40 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said:

DD line into hybrids which i can see players not being happy  

When has this sentiment ever swayed War Failing?

[Wolfswetpaws]

59 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said:

2 were suppose to be made during WWII but only halford was finished   and realised it didnt work as intended so no there is no other historical ships to model unless they turned the original DD line into hybrids which i can see players not being happy  

Yeah. 
They figured out that the hull was too narrow to properly use the crane while the crane was mounted in the middle of the hull/deck.
Widening the hull and placing the crane at the stern might work.
Would that upgrade the Destroyer into a light-cruiser, though?

[Arcus_Aesopi]

1 hour ago, Aethervox said:

If you 'google'  Wikipedia US DDs 1913 - 1945, you will find 22 classes of US DDs of which WoWS uses 10. Your list is only from 1934 - 1944 (not all are WW2 vintage).

It's a list, not my list.  If you follow the link, they're expressly trying to identify all classes actually used in the identified WW-II era.  It's also a work in progress.  Nothing debatable here.  The list of auxiliaries is also very interesting and includes the Destroyer Escorts.

Tier v. technology and tier v. era inclusions to "balance" game-play would make things more enjoyable to me, but those things aren't happening at this time.