pepe_trueno Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 some time ago i got this ship from a super container and since then i am trying to figure it out. it got plenty of secondary guns with above average DPM bur lack of enhanced pen/accuracy and trash armor makes it a big nope. it got an absurd amount of dual purpose guns yet for some reason its AA sucks and only has 5.8km range wich seems online with other french BBs but still 152mm AA gun with only 5.8km range is sad. main guns have the best accuracy and pen in its tier but with only 6 rifles and a reload of 28.6 seconds its DPM is beyond terrible. its crazy fast for a BB which is nice but going fast alone won't do much. all in all the ship has a lot of potential but is also full of fatal flaws can't brawl with that armor can't snipe with only 6 rifles it has potential as a flanker to punish broadsides with those accurate guns but good luck dealing with CV, DDs or subs with its poor concealment, bad AA and no radar/hydro. considering all this i am the only one who thinks this ships is in desperately need of an overhaul to define its role? if its going to be a flanker then it needs better concealment and AA if its going to be a sniper with only 6 rifles then those guns need to make slava look inaccurate 😆 if its going to be a brawler then it better get some armor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcus_Aesopi Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 21 minutes ago, pepe_trueno said: some time ago i got this ship from a super container and since then i am trying to figure it out. it got plenty of secondary guns with above average DPM bur lack of enhanced pen/accuracy and trash armor makes it a big nope. it got an absurd amount of dual purpose guns yet for some reason its AA sucks and only has 5.8km range wich seems online with other french BBs but still 152mm AA gun with only 5.8km range is sad. main guns have the best accuracy and pen in its tier but with only 6 rifles and a reload of 28.6 seconds its DPM is beyond terrible. its crazy fast for a BB which is nice but going fast alone won't do much. all in all the ship has a lot of potential but is also full of fatal flaws can't brawl with that armor can't snipe with only 6 rifles it has potential as a flanker to punish broadsides with those accurate guns but good luck dealing with CV, DDs or subs with its poor concealment, bad AA and no radar/hydro. considering all this i am the only one who thinks this ships is in desperately need of an overhaul to define its role? if its going to be a flanker then it needs better concealment and AA if its going to be a sniper with only 6 rifles then those guns need to make slava look inaccurate 😆 if its going to be a brawler then it better get some armor I think you've about got it sorted... She sits happily in port until snowflake events... 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) IMO Champagne is fine, especially after her relatively recent significant HP buff. Her six guns have very high penetration, battlecruiser/large cruiser dispersion, and very usable ballistics. The only real problem I have with her guns is the firing angles, but that’s an issue on most ships with their guns placed in a single turret fore and aft. But then again, I’m one of those people that thought Repulse (another 6-gun “sniping” battlecruiser) was one of the better battleships at her tier even before she got her recent buffs. She fills a niche among Richelieu, Gascogne, and Flandre at tier VIII. Edited April 14 by Nevermore135 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 It's funny we got Champagne, but no Cognac, Bourbon, Whiskey or Vodka. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornzero Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 8 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said: It's funny we got Champagne, but no Cognac, Bourbon, Whiskey or Vodka. Isn't Wisconsin the big Whisky? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightPhoenix07 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 16 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said: but no Whiskey Wisconsin: Am I a joke to you? You’d better apologize to her, I hear she’s got quite the temper… 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 20 minutes ago, thornzero said: Isn't Wisconsin the big Whisky? 12 minutes ago, MidnightPhoenix07 said: Wisconsin: Am I a joke to you? You’d better apologize to her, I hear she’s got quite the temper… Ooh.. Sorry Wisconsin, and thanks for the correction too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbow Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Champagne. I remember her. My first French premium ship. She has her features and when the stars align, she can delete cruisers in an instant. She is not a brawler, and she has thin armor. I enjoyed the ship and I might play her again soon. While I like Gascogne more, Champagne's playstyle is a necessary one for me to avoid becoming jaded/bored in the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle_Octavian Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 It's insanely hard to play with the current aiming bugs. Few guns, and half the shells get bugged and drop low. It's really in a bad state. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 8 hours ago, Subtle_Octavian said: It's insanely hard to play with the current aiming bugs. Few guns, and half the shells get bugged and drop low. It's really in a bad state. So... it's not like having Dom Pérignon but more like getting Phew Yak instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrepentantSinner Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 9 hours ago, Subtle_Octavian said: It's insanely hard to play with the current aiming bugs. Few guns, and half the shells get bugged and drop low. It's really in a bad state. That has been my experience as well, you are supposed to have superior accuracy compared to most other battleships, but that has not been my experience playing it. I really consider trading it in, the next update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmo_2 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I really enjoy it because of the excellent accuracy. The minimal number of guns hampers her damage output, but having 3 or 6 shells landing in a tight pattern rather than a wild shotgun blast is quite satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 9 minutes ago, desmo_2 said: I really enjoy it because of the excellent accuracy. The minimal number of guns hampers her damage output, but having 3 or 6 shells landing in a tight pattern rather than a wild shotgun blast is quite satisfying. Essentially then we are talking about the same thing as what the Deadeye I think was all about. You get a tighter grouping which works well if your aim is perfect, but really badly if it's slightly off or if you have more than your fair share of lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 17 minutes ago, desmo_2 said: I really enjoy it because of the excellent accuracy. The minimal number of guns hampers her damage output, but having 3 or 6 shells landing in a tight pattern rather than a wild shotgun blast is quite satisfying. 7 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said: Essentially then we are talking about the same thing as what the Deadeye I think was all about. You get a tighter grouping which works well if your aim is perfect, but really badly if it's slightly off or if you have more than your fair share of lag. I’m reminded of the age old-question that has divided IJN BB-enjoyers since the dawn of WoWs: Nagato or Fuso? 🤔 One has a smaller number of accurate, hard hitting guns that are less forgiving of poor aim (or just a very unlucky RNG roll). The other is a 12-gun shotgun that throws enough… excrement… at the wall that a good amount from every salvo sticks despite the poor gunnery. I’m on Team Nagato, btw. Edited April 15 by Nevermore135 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 16 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said: I’m reminded of the age old-question that has divided IJN BB-enjoyers since the dawn of WoWs: Nagato or Fuso? 🤔 One has a smaller number of accurate, hard hitting guns that are less forgiving of poor aim (or just a very unlucky RNG roll). The other is a 12-gun shotgun that throws enough… excrement… at the wall that a good amount from every salvo sticks despite the poor gunnery. I’m on Team Nagato, btw. I think we are on the same team you and I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe_trueno Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 On 4/14/2024 at 4:41 PM, Admiral_Karasu said: It's funny we got Champagne, but no Cognac, Bourbon, Whiskey or Vodka. now we need 3 variants: champagne: buff dispersion and main gun shell speed cognac: better concealment and mobility Armañac: better armor and enhaced secondary/AA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensign Cthulhu Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 21 hours ago, Nevermore135 said: I’m on Team Nagato, btw. Having now ground the Nagato out twice (because she's the separation point for the IJN BB split), I'm with you on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 22 hours ago, Nevermore135 said: I’m reminded of the age old-question that has divided IJN BB-enjoyers since the dawn of WoWs: Nagato or Fuso? 🤔 One has a smaller number of accurate, hard hitting guns that are less forgiving of poor aim (or just a very unlucky RNG roll). The other is a 12-gun shotgun that throws enough… excrement… at the wall that a good amount from every salvo sticks despite the poor gunnery. I’m on Team Nagato, btw. I'm on "Team Both". I like both the Fuso and the Nagato, though for different reasons. 🙂 https://kancolle.fandom.com/wiki/Nagato https://kancolle.fandom.com/wiki/Fusou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence_CN Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) On 4/14/2024 at 9:41 PM, Admiral_Karasu said: It's funny we got Champagne, but no Cognac, Bourbon, Whiskey or Vodka. [Out of topic /ON] To be more precise (and being French myself, nobody being perfect), Champagne is not the name of a beverage in that case, but the name of the region where this nectar (often imitated, never equalled 🙂 ) is produced. Reason why you have also: Bourgogne, Normandie, Alsace, and so on... the names of former provinces. Btw there is an EXCELLENT vodka produced in France (and quite decent whiskies too). The best Vodka being the Siwucha. ❤️ [Out of topic /OFF] Edited April 16 by Silence_CN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 the other one is gascogne similar in design but the consumables are different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 hours ago, Silence_CN said: [Out of topic /ON] To be more precise (and being French myself, nobody being perfect), Champagne is not the name of a beverage in that case, but the name of the region where this nectar (often imitated, never equalled 🙂 ) is produced. Reason why you have also: Bourgogne, Normandie, Alsace, and so on... the names of former provinces. Btw there is an EXCELLENT vodka produced in France (and quite decent whiskies too). The best Vodka being the Siwucha. ❤️ [Out of topic /OFF] 👍 Bien sur! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence_CN Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said: Bien sur! Oh ? A Cajun ! 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 hours ago, Silence_CN said: Oh ? A Cajun ! 😛 I'm from New Hampshire. I've visited Louisiana, but my French is via family lineage that can be traced back to Canada and from there back to France. I took 3 years of French while in High School. My vocabulary is small and rusty, and I make plenty of mistakes. Mais, c'est la vie. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence_CN Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) to be suppressed please (double post, sorry) Edited April 17 by Silence_CN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence_CN Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 At least you try. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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