iDuckman Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: Gonna be honest I also have no idea what in the world you mean Well, be damn sure you don't ask on WoWs discord, then. Here https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Armor_Penetration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: I never said I was perfect... No one is perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, iDuckman said: Well, be damn sure you don't ask on WoWs discord, then. Here https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Armor_Penetration That overmatch category in that page is very useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDuckman Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: whenever I talk to someone about "pen" it's gun penetration and if we're talking about the calibre needed to get past different armour plates it's called overmatch. No, overmatch is assured penetration. No checking angles and energy -- the shell is big enough to punch right through. Smaller shells go through several calculations to determine whether or not they penetrate. It's an arcane topic that I don't understand all that well myself. Edited December 23, 2023 by iDuckman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, iDuckman said: No, overmatch is assured penetration. No checking angles and energy -- the shell is big enough to punch right through. Smaller shells go through several calculations to determine whether or not they penetrate. Smaller shells go through penetration calculations yes and bigger shells automatically penetrate armour they can overmatch yes I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDuckman Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, Beleaf said: Hard to differentiate between a new player versus someone who is just bad When someone asks a question, it shouldn't matter. Answer the question. But yeah. sometimes complaining about something is because they don't understand it. "Git gud" is rarely the answer. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoshiSone Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Remember folks, the name of the platform (i.e., discord) is a metaphor. One's mileage may vary. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crokodone Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, 3LUE said: Anyone else notice that WG discord general chat is like a club and if you are not member they ignore you. I find it funny that WG thought going to discord was a good idea. I don't frequent discord, but even the old forum required membership for participation. Edited December 23, 2023 by Crokodone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crokodone Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: Amazing that they think we are a threat to them. It's not so much a threat but to reaffirm they want the old forum format and most of it's followers to cease and desist; they did shut it down after all. The attempted forum necromancy most would take that as being disrespectful at best, megalomanic at worse. They don't wanna converse or entertain certain people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clammboy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: G volunteers are encouraged to insult and belittle those who don't conform to the company line. This toxic and against the rules behavior is allowed by WGs 'moderation' staff. Lol were do you get your inside info from you have documents from WG or something . I cant tell you how silly this sounds and I have been on discord and have not experinced anything close to this. Maybe when people are acting like total idiots which is all the time they get in trouble. But I have never seen someone who disagreed in a cival maner get bullied or belittled by WG the staff or moderators for having a differnt opinon thats simply not true. Edited December 23, 2023 by clammboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaQuest Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, clammboy said: Lol were do you get your inside info from you have documents from WG or something . I cant tell you how silly this sounds and I have been on discord and have not experinced anything close to this. Maybe when people are acting like total idiots which is all the time they get in trouble. But I have never seen someone who disagreed in a cival maner get bullied or belittled by WG the staff or moderators for having a differnt opinon thats simply not true. I think it is not WG staff or moderators doing it. It is the fact that they let others do it for them. I have seen new people come in there and ask questions, and they are either ignored or belittled by the people using Discord, and nothing is done. Also, if you say something that does not tow the WG line, they jump on you like rabbit dogs. I have seen people try and post links to this forum, and for some reason they get deleted. WG's forums were not perfect, but they sure ripped them down without much warning 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yedwy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SeaQuest said: I think it is not WG staff or moderators doing it. It is the fact that they let others do it for them. I have seen new people come in there and ask questions, and they are either ignored or belittled by the people using Discord, and nothing is done. Also, if you say something that does not tow the WG line, they jump on you like rabbit dogs. I have seen people try and post links to this forum, and for some reason they get deleted. WG's forums were not perfect, but they sure ripped them down without much warning WG simply didint like their past BS to be ina a nice searchable format, theys still dont, thats why they like "Discord forums" as everything older then couple of weeks will be oblivion if even accessible Edited December 23, 2023 by Yedwy 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath_of_Deadguy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Knew the WG Discord was going to be a shipshow. Haven't seen anything to change that opinion... I only wish I'd found this place a couple months sooner. Haven't once regretted ignoring the official Discord, though. Yeeeeikes. There's tone-deaf, and then there's tone-deaf... and then there's WG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verytis Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Even this place isn't without its own circle jerking. Haven't been to WG discord, but it sounds like the behavior there is just more openly hostile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwastuesday Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Discord is only good for small invite-only groups. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 6 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: Well depending on the problem maybe he was really just bad, that's just the honest truth to be honest. I suppose on WG Discord that would count for a constructive approach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Karasu Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said: Knew the WG Discord was going to be a shipshow. Haven't seen anything to change that opinion... I only wish I'd found this place a couple months sooner. Haven't once regretted ignoring the official Discord, though. Yeeeeikes. There's tone-deaf, and then there's tone-deaf... and then there's WG. Yes, it's a more than a step down from the old official WoWS forum. Well, it's like crashing from the top floor to the basement, to be honest... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Crokodone said: It's not so much a threat but to reaffirm they want the old forum format and most of it's followers to cease and desist; they did shut it down after all. The attempted forum necromancy most would take that as being disrespectful at best, megalomanic at worse. They don't wanna converse or entertain certain people. Since none of us are on WGs payroll, it doesn't matter what WG wants. They are not the boss of us. It's hilarious if this is indeed their position, as it means WG have a fundamental misunderstanding of what social media actually is and does. 7 hours ago, clammboy said: Lol were do you get your inside info from you have documents from WG or something . I cant tell you how silly this sounds and I have been on discord and have not experinced anything close to this. Maybe when people are acting like total idiots which is all the time they get in trouble. But I have never seen someone who disagreed in a cival maner get bullied or belittled by WG the staff or moderators for having a differnt opinon thats simply not true. My inside info is the experiences I had on Discord itself. Your attempt at gaslighting here is laughable. I don't care how you think it sounds, I was there...I remember. And I said WG volunteers, so if you are going to throw around accusations....don't strawman. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Imagine typing more than 2 or 3 lines on Discord... Communication reduced to a couple sentences, a single intrascendent idea. It's evolution baby. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clammboy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 14 hours ago, iDuckman said: ** However subjective the concept of support is... Lol this is the key to your post I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clammboy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: WG volunteers are encouraged to insult and belittle those who don't conform to the company line. Your the one who posted this which means it is WG employees causing the problem by instructing volunteers and then when I quoted you on this you post this 1 hour ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: And I said WG volunteers, so if you are going to throw around accusations....don't strawman. Don't know who's gas lighting who but you left out half your quote . Edited December 23, 2023 by clammboy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Yedwy said: WG simply didint like their past BS to be ina a nice searchable format, theys still dont, thats why they like "Discord forums" as everything older then couple of weeks will be oblivion if even accessible This right here - I suspect - hits the nail on the head. It's a perennial potential problem for any firm that runs a forum: when you do something ill-advised, there is a focal point for the inevitable negativity (and it's easily found via Google etc. if enough people are using the forum in question). Of course, the reverse is also true when you do something positive. Presumably, the decision over maintaining a forum comes down to whether or not you believe your firm mostly does positive or negative things. Perhaps WG have a bit more self-awareness than we might think? Of course, the problem here for WG is that at least a sub-set of their customer base much prefer forums, hence DevStrike; bonus shooting-yourself-in-the-foot points for WG as they have zero control here, whereas they had plenty on the OG fora... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolitudeFreak Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 The more people are in a channel talking, the harder it is to back read. Generally people do not back read, and if they do, they are probably just skimming for people they know talking. Game-discussion is completely useless if you're looking for a discussion about anything. The forums are slightly more useful, but when the thread gets long, old comments are buried in the way Discord buries them. See rules on back reading for that. Discord is okay for what it is, but it's definitely a terrible forum replacement. But for WG, they benefit by reducing costs, and obfuscating their game further by destroying old threads and burying new ones in third party software. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type_93 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: My inside info is the experiences I had on Discord itself. Your attempt at gaslighting here is laughable. I don't care how you think it sounds, I was there...I remember. And I said WG volunteers, so if you are going to throw around accusations....don't strawman. Your just so far out in left field it would take a tractor to pull you back. I don’t know what you posted over there, but if it’s anything like you post here, I can understand why you’d think that. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Admiral_Karasu said: I suppose on WG Discord that would count for a constructive approach... Well if they're complaining about something that we know isn't broken at all. Saying it's completely game breaking and needs to be removed/changed we know that they're not a good player and it is in-fact their own fault for not trying to get better and learn how to counter it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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