Stord 44 - worth 3500 dubs?

[Prva_paroplavebná]

Hi,

I have managed to collect 3518 dubs from ranked and Christmas containers. Is Stord 44 worth this 3500 dubloons? Or is there better ship for it?

Thanks

[Kynami]

Personally I'd say that no the Stord '43 isn't particularly worth the dubs.

Sure she gets a heal... but in exchange she got thrown a tier higher and lost the engine boost. So she has the hull health of a T6 destroyer up at tier seven and has a low number of guns with low alpha damage and bad concealment. And while her torpedo range is alright they don't hit very hard.

And since so much of its potential health is locked up in the healing she absolutely needs superintendent to gain an extra heal charge on top of the mandatory hull health captain skill. Meaning you pretty much need 13 points on the captain to even serve as spotter for your team that will hopefully not get destroyed too quickly. And you are fully reliant on your team hitting things you have spotted because your damage output is a wet noodle compared to any of the actual gunboats and even some of the torpedo boats can punish you because of your low gun count.

[oldblackdog]

1 hour ago, Prva_paroplavebná said:

Is Stord 44 worth this 3500 dubloons?

Just want to mention that your doubloons will get you more than the ship. The other rewards include coal, two 10pt captains, and a number of festive certificates. I thought all the extra stuff was worth the price, but others may feel differently.

[Scrubby_McScrub]

1 hour ago, Kynami said:

Personally I'd say that no the Stord '43 isn't particularly worth the dubs.

Sure she gets a heal... but in exchange she got thrown a tier higher and lost the engine boost. So she has the hull health of a T6 destroyer up at tier seven and has a low number of guns with low alpha damage and bad concealment. And while her torpedo range is alright they don't hit very hard.

And since so much of its potential health is locked up in the healing she absolutely needs superintendent to gain an extra heal charge on top of the mandatory hull health captain skill. Meaning you pretty much need 13 points on the captain to even serve as spotter for your team that will hopefully not get destroyed too quickly. And you are fully reliant on your team hitting things you have spotted because your damage output is a wet noodle compared to any of the actual gunboats and even some of the torpedo boats can punish you because of your low gun count.

You are assuming too much without having played the ship. We've seen plenty of ships look not quite ok on paper but do really well. Heal on a DD is always a powerful thing. That much is proven. A EU dd captain should always run superintendent so your Halland & Gdansk captains should work quite well. Considering how long Halland has been out, most folks will have a 21 point captain to throw on the Stord 43. 

3500 doubloons is a no brainer for that ship, especially considering the extras you get with the rest of the chain. 

[Project45_Opytny]

31 minutes ago, Scrubby_McScrub said:

You are assuming too much without having played the ship. We've seen plenty of ships look not quite ok on paper but do really well. Heal on a DD is always a powerful thing. That much is proven. A EU dd captain should always run superintendent so your Halland & Gdansk captains should work quite well. Considering how long Halland has been out, most folks will have a 21 point captain to throw on the Stord 43. 

3500 doubloons is a no brainer for that ship, especially considering the extras you get with the rest of the chain. 

While having a superheal, Stord 43 has a long list of poor or mediocre parameters, including poor concealment (6.8km which is bad even for a T7 destroyer), mediocre main gun DPM, poor gun handling (both gun traverse rate and firing arc), bad smokescreen and underpowered torpedoes.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

For me, Stord isn't worth the doubloons...as I'm saving those for a different ship and I am unlikely to actually finish the battle pass.

[MidnightPhoenix07]

Is it worth the dubs (especially with all the other stuff you get)? Personally, I think it is. But I’d recommend waiting to spend the doubloons until you actually get to that stage on the free side (if you haven’t already) so you know you’re going to get the ship without needing to spend more doubloons.

It’s pretty similar to normal Stord, although 43 has slightly better main battery dpm, AP, a better heal, and faster torps, but worse concealment. It’s not OP, but not bad either, kind of a t6 DD uptiered to 6.5-6.8 with the superheal. I enjoyed it, but it’s more middle of the road strength wise.

You don’t want to fight higher tier DDs (unless they’re one of the few true torp boats you outgun), but with the guns/heal/smoke you’re fine against most same and lower tier DDs. 

However, if that’s all your doubloons, then no. I’d save them up for other things, like higher tier premiums, future dockyards, or other events you want to use them in. Even if you want a t7 premium, there are better options available. And it’s also not something I’d recommend unless you already know how to play DDs and EU DDs specifically, and know you’ll like what it offers. 

[AdmiralThunder]

3 hours ago, Scrubby_McScrub said:

3500 doubloons is a no brainer for that ship, especially considering the extras you get with the rest of the chain. 

Pretty much this although no brainer might be a stretch. IF you get to the end and manage to complete the needed 20 stages a Premium T7 + all the rest of the haul you get is worth 3500 Doubloons even if the ship is mediocre. But get there first. It takes a lot of games near the end just to move one stage. Make sure you can finish before using the Doubloons.

Edited December 19, 2023 by AdmiralThunder

[Arcus_Aesopi]

The bottom line (the paid stuff) is also 10 santa tickets or 2 mega crates... so there is that gamble that the rest of the paid goodies is "worth" more than the Stord '43 itself.  I'm playing diligently (6K BXP/day), but not to the 10K BXP/day max level for this promotion and am on level 17 where the 2 days per level starts.  The "extra" rewards will be 2+ days each for more santa/holiday coupons.

I'm also filling the port fleet to 500 (currently 469 +6 Harugumo line reset/500) so I'm picking up ships where I can (I only keep premiums and TT > Tier IV).  Since these event ships come with port slots, I find it worthwhile personally to go for them if they're not insanely priced. 

Right now port slots are a limiting factor, but if we get back to 3 per month "rewards", I'll be fine on that without spending on that most vacuous of vaporware...

That's my train of thought on it at any rate.

YMMV.  Fair winds and following seas!

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

57 minutes ago, Arcusaesopi said:

The bottom line (the paid stuff) is also 10 santa tickets or 2 mega crates... so there is that gamble that the rest of the paid goodies is "worth" more than the Stord '43 itself.  I'm playing diligently (6K BXP/day), but not to the 10K BXP/day max level for this promotion and am on level 17 where the 2 days per level starts.  The "extra" rewards will be 2+ days each for more santa/holiday coupons.

I'm also filling the port fleet to 500 (currently 469 +6 Harugumo line reset/500) so I'm picking up ships where I can (I only keep premiums and TT > Tier IV).  Since these event ships come with port slots, I find it worthwhile personally to go for them if they're not insanely priced. 

Right now port slots are a limiting factor, but if we get back to 3 per month "rewards", I'll be fine on that without spending on that most vacuous of vaporware...

That's my train of thought on it at any rate.

YMMV.  Fair winds and following seas!

Yeah, to my mind, it's only worth it if you really want the ship or you have lots of ships already.

I am saving for some doubloon ships I really want...and I'm not going to throw doubloons at a ship I dont really want just because it's the equivalent of 'on sale.'

https://youtu.be/PGf17WXs62U?si=RX23AGhpADxPqJ9D

[Took]

2 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

Pretty much this although no brainer might be a stretch. IF you get to the end and manage to complete the needed 20 stages a Premium T7 + all the rest of the haul you get is worth 3500 Doubloons even if the ship is mediocre. But get there first. It takes a lot of games near the end just to move one stage. Make sure you can finish before using the Doubloons.

yea i noticed this slowed right down at 18-19

[Kynami]

6 hours ago, Scrubby_McScrub said:

You are assuming too much without having played the ship. We've seen plenty of ships look not quite ok on paper but do really well. Heal on a DD is always a powerful thing. That much is proven. A EU dd captain should always run superintendent so your Halland & Gdansk captains should work quite well. Considering how long Halland has been out, most folks will have a 21 point captain to throw on the Stord 43. 

3500 doubloons is a no brainer for that ship, especially considering the extras you get with the rest of the chain. 

At the same tier one could just as easily slot the same captain into a Blyskawica and get seven guns instead of four. Torpedoes that do roughly twice as much damage and have a far higher flood chance. A ship hull that has a third again as much base health. The ability to get into and out of trouble at least seven knots faster.

Is the heal powerful enough to offset what the competition is bringing to the table though? Especially considering that T7 is the point where most lines start leaning heavily into their specialty gimmicks such as burst fire and reload boosters. And where radar and longer range hydro starts being a serious consideration you have to play around.

Yes there are destroyers with heals that are far more respected because of them. But most of them have significantly higher for their tier base HP... and more importantly are set up to be an actually scary gunboat via a mix of higher gun counts with faster reloads and/or excellent turret rotation, significantly higher base health, and higher speeds so they can choose their engagements. At which point them having that ability to heal lets them dip in and out of aggressive knife fighting near the caps. Stord '43 with its less stellar armaments is more likely to be burning heals removing chip damage it suffered trying to run from better armed opposition.

[iDuckman]

10 hours ago, Prva_paroplavebná said:

Hi,

I have managed to collect 3518 dubs from ranked and Christmas containers. Is Stord 44 worth this 3500 dubloons? Or is there better ship for it?

Thanks

I'd say yes.  First, 3500 Dubs is only $14, but since they are free Dubs, might as well consider the ship is free.  Second, it's not just Stord.  It's all that other stuff, like a Mega crate worth of FCs ($5) and whatever else is on that track (I don't have game open atm). 

But yeah, as Midnight says, wait to buy until you see what the overall haul will be.  IIRC, if I get far enough along it might be worth it even without the ship.

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Btw, BQV5PXNY24 for 4 Progress Points.

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by iDuckman

[MysticalWar]

I have the Tier 6 Stord and I think its a fun little ship so I think I will get the Stord 43 Since it gets Tier 7.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

2 hours ago, iDuckman said:

I'd say yes.  First, 3500 Dubs is only $14, but since they are free Dubs, might as well consider the ship is free.  Second, it's not just Stord.  It's all that other stuff, like a Mega crate worth of FCs ($5) and whatever else is on that track (I don't have game open atm). 

But yeah, as Midnight says, wait to buy until you see what the overall haul will be.  IIRC, if I get far enough along it might be worth it even without the ship.

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Btw, BQV5PXNY24 for 4 Progress Points.

 

Ugh.

There is NO SUCH THING as free dubs.

Those dubs could be used for other things.

Guys, if you actually want Stord...then look at the discounted price and see if you are willing to pay that for the ship and the casino surprise mechanics.

If you don't need or want Stord, don't buy her...even if she is on sale.

Do NOT buy a ship merely because it is on sale.

If you do so, somebody else is making money off of selling you something you don't want. Understand?

[iDuckman]

1 hour ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

There is NO SUCH THING as free dubs.

Compensation?  Free crates and Amory gifts?

Yeah, okay, someone probably bought something somewhere, but it didn't have to be Dubs.

 

[Taylor3006]

12 hours ago, iDuckman said:

Compensation?  Free crates and Amory gifts?

Yeah, okay, someone probably bought something somewhere, but it didn't have to be Dubs.

 

Yeah I am struggling to decide if I want to buy $3 in doubloons to get me what I need to buy the second path. I don't really want the DD or anything other than the captains. Trying to justify it in my head and 10 point captains are 1500 doubloons in Armory so I suppose it is a good deal. Just don't want to give Wargaming any more money. 

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

24 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

Yeah I am struggling to decide if I want to buy $3 in doubloons to get me what I need to buy the second path. I don't really want the DD or anything other than the captains. Trying to justify it in my head and 10 point captains are 1500 doubloons in Armory so I suppose it is a good deal. Just don't want to give Wargaming any more money. 

If you don't want the DD...then decide based on your value of the captains ALONE to you.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Daniel_Allan_Clark

[Ensign Cthulhu]

One thing I noted halfway through my first battle is that unlike the "new" EU DD line of which the original Stord is a part, this one has AP ammunition as well as HE. On my first trip out, I managed to grab quite a few citadels off a bot Atlanta in a drive-by. 

On 12/19/2023 at 9:59 PM, iDuckman said:

Compensation?  Free crates and Amory gifts?

Yeah, okay, someone probably bought something somewhere, but it didn't have to be Dubs.

 

Daniel is like this every time the word "free" is used. He likes to pretend that it means anything other than "didn't hand over any currency".

He's got a point when it comes to asking questions like "Is [event prize] worth the grind?" but in most other contexts I find his reasoning pedantic and vexatious.

On 12/19/2023 at 8:00 PM, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

There is NO SUCH THING as free dubs.

Those dubs could be used for other things.

Like what? I chose to use them for this thing, and many others did too. Nobody forced me to buy the paid track. 

On 12/19/2023 at 8:00 PM, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

if you are willing to pay that for the ship and the casino surprise mechanics.

By the time I got the ship (which I wanted) and the captains in hand, the return on investment was already well into the black and the certificates (and the crates they got me) were just a nice added extra. When I've already paid for the cake, I don't stop to ask how much the cherry on top is. 

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

By the time I got the ship (which I wanted) and the captains in hand, the return on investment was already well into the black and the certificates (and the crates they got me) were just a nice added extra. When I've already paid for the cake, I don't stop to ask how much the cherry on top is. 

Exactly. You valued the ship as worth the price, and the other stuff was bonus.

That's a good purchase.

Glad you got what you wanted. 🙂

[Andrewbassg]

On 12/24/2023 at 5:58 PM, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Daniel is like this every time the word "free" is used. He likes to pretend that it means anything other than "didn't hand over any currency".

As a "still" F2P I agree with him.That being said, a value of an item is in the eyes of the buyer.

On 12/19/2023 at 12:58 PM, Prva_paroplavebná said:

Hi,

I have managed to collect 3518 dubs from ranked and Christmas containers. Is Stord 44 worth this 3500 dubloons? Or is there better ship for it?

Thanks

So.....if this is the only dubs you have.... buying PT would be a better "investment". The ship, alone is......kinda questionable.

 

That being said, I did buy the package and I got lucky on NA. (2X 1500 dubs from the Big crates, thats what I decided to consistently buy)

Edited December 27, 2023 by Andrewbassg

[Itwastuesday]

Tried it.

Spoiler

Feels a bit under-equipped. Not even a speedboost?

Edited December 27, 2023 by Itwastuesday

[SureBridge]

It's a DD with a heal and smoke at T7. It also gets to use AP shells (which I keep reaching for and not finding in this line). It's not the first DD I'll reach for at T7 (Vaquelin, or one of the Japanese torp boats) but it's not a bad boat.

[palestreamer]

I like the fast torps (76 knots) with the 10 km range. Might be the fastest torps at T7?

I got it, seems ok.

[Titus_Pullo_13]

I have a 21 pt Jerry Swirzki and i like to bounce him between Halland, Jager and other premium boats like Stord 43. 

Not a DD of choice though.