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A fascinating subject - Warships in movies. Here, we discuss various aspects. * How were they represented, and how accurate were the stand-ins? * How faithfully reproduced are the maneuvers, the battles? * what happened to the ships afterward, and where did they end up? * How accurately, in terms of their life stories and actions, are the people on both sides enacted? What did their futures hold in stock for them? This Club was initiated by Admiral_Karasu in April 2024

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  2. Admiral_Karasu
    Which seems to be unavailable to me. As long as everybody can see some video we should be fine....
  3. Wolfswetpaws
    I did. Your link worked, for me. I'll view it later, perhaps. I've seen the movie Zulu, years (decades?) ago. I remember why the movie would be age-restricted. 😉
  4. HogHammer
    Give my link a shot @Wolfswetpaws
  5. Wolfswetpaws
    "Video unavailable" "This video contains content from Studio canal who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds"
  6. Admiral_Karasu
    Can you see this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5w68IeWDCw
  7. HogHammer
    If the above link does not work in your country (I'm in NA, and it is blocked), try this one. Zulu Full Movie - US, perhaps all of NA link (click here) Depending on where you live, you may have to search for "Zulu Full Movie" in YouTube search.
  8. Admiral_Karasu
    Movie of the Month for July 2024 Zulu Try having the movie watched by the next weekend or so, that's SAT/SUN July 6 to 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NetxJAkdO6Y Note! Recommended that you use the link to watch the movie in an adjacent tab or new window for ease of reference. Zulu on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_(1964_film) And on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058777/ Spoiler Warning! If you have no clue about the movie previously, watch the movie first before going into the discussion. General discussion of the movie to follow below.
  9. Admiral_Karasu
    Only later, in 1943, when Vice Admiral Paul Wenneker was allowed to visit the Yamato. Even then, though, the Japanese pulled the wool over his eyes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wenneker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJKL0VAwDY
  10. iDuckman
    I doubt seriously that the German Navy knew any more about Yamato than the US Navy.
  11. Wolfswetpaws
    😉
  12. Admiral_Karasu
    Thanks, yes, that sounds plausible to me though it would have to be a very lucky shot for Bismarck. Here's some light reading for you and everyone else, the four scenarios start on page 26, of particular interest would be the scenarios #3 and #4. http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/HOOD 1919 Armor Tests.pdf
  13. Wolfswetpaws
    The article you linked is from the summer of 2014. Dracinifel's video about the Hood's sinking is a bit more recent (3 years ago) and has a different explanation. The Loss of HMS Hood - But why did it blow up??
  14. Admiral_Karasu
    In practice, I suppose, Lütjens would have ordered Lindemann to issue the orders. I presume this is how Vice Admiral Holland did it because when we read accounts of the battle we are given information about the orders Holland issued to maneuver the Hood in battle. Here's a very detailed account of the course of the engagement. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/to-this-day-the-cause-of-the-sinking-of-the-hms-hood-during-the-hunt-for-the-bismarck-is-still-disputed/
  15. Wolfswetpaws
    24:35 minutes:seconds into the movie - Lutjens' speech to the crew of the Bismarck. "... You are sailing in the largest most powerful Battleship afloat ..." I suspect the Yamato might want a word. 😉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck
  16. iDuckman
    Also, Lindemann should be issuing orders to his crew, not Lutjens.
  17. I_cant_Swim_
    @Admiral_Karasu That link you provided is absolutely awesome! I wonder if we can get the author's ok to reproduce that post here...
  18. Admiral_Karasu
    Unknown. Here's a good account of the myths and what the eyewitnesses reported. The facts as known seem to be that it was a single hit at about 9 miles range that didn't hit the magazines, and the explosion occurred with some delay ripping through both the deck and the bottom. https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-HMS-Hoods-weaknesses-that-made-her-vulnerable-to-the-German-battleship-Bismarck-during-World-War-II
  19. I_cant_Swim_
    and that vulnerability being what? Magazines? In the movie, it was essentially one broadside salvo from the Bismark. Pretty frightening punch, if correct.
  20. Admiral_Karasu
    The Hood was approaching bow on to show as narrow a profile as possible. This tactic was intended, apparently, to allow the Hood get closer when it should have been safer to broadside the Bismarck and bring all the guns to bear on the target. I read the explanation, and the Hood exploding essentially happened because while the Hood was angled toward the Bismarck during her turn, her vulnerability was temporarily exposed.
  21. Admiral_Karasu
    Well, Captain Shepard is, of course, fictional but I suppose they could dramatize the role more freely as well. Also, they didn't have all the information because relevant intel was still classified at the time.
  22. I_cant_Swim_
    Tactics-wise, we don't get to see a great deal. But the HMS Hood and Prince of Wales are incorrectly shown as flaunting skirt the entire time. In fact, the were bow in most of the time until that fateful decision by Admiral Holland of the Hood to give the Bismarck a jolly good wallop. Amazingly, it appears that both the Bismark and Prinz Eugen actually did go broadside to Hood and Prince of Wales, basically the entire time.
  23. I_cant_Swim_
    Yes, that is a drawback. One needn't always vilify the enemy to the extreme. However, Captain Shepard is portrayed even more inaccurately as he did not exist. 😄 So what did I like? The basic story, of course, is history. So that's a given. Also the decision to shoot in B & W, although they could have applied the glory of Technicolor. Showing the inaccuracies of the guns. The mix of scenes from the Admiralty building and at sea. What I wish they had excluded: The scene with HMS Solent (DD) being destroyed by Bismarck. Like Cpt. Shepard, she did not exist. What I wish they had included: Apparently, Polish destroyer Piorun was the ship to find the Bismarck, but was not mentioned. She also went solo, brave as brave can be, toe to toe with the behemoth for the better part of an hour, to allow the other RN ships time to catch up. One hour of battle, folks, with no or negligible damage to either party. I think they certainly deserved mention. A bit more time spent on the King George V and Prince of Wales, to build on the suspense leading to victory.
  24. Admiral_Karasu
    Perhaps the one major criticism about this movie is the portrayal of Admiral Lütjens, how drastically it actually turns the reality upside down. You can read some of the tragic details of his background here: http://www.avalanchepress.com/admiral_lutjens.php
  25. I_cant_Swim_
    So, well. I really enjoyed this one! I put together a list of movie ships and stand-ins - data obtained from Wikipedia.org. Oh Great Moth, move as required: Ship or specific scene in movie Stand-in HMS Hood, Prince of Wales, King George V, and Bismarck – gun firing scenes (Big Boys) HMS Vanguard HMS Norfolk, Suffolk, Sheffield and Dorsetshire (cruisers) HMS Belfast HMS Victorious (carrier) HMS Victorious HMS Ark Royal (carrier) HMS Victorious Airplanes taking off. HMS Centaur HMS Cavalier (destroyer) HMS Cossack HMS Solent HMS Hogue
  26. I_cant_Swim_
    a few blips, but what a gripping movie! Still watching, lads, wait for me! 🙂
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